Philosophy: Trialogics
 
Mini-Chat:
Scott, Jutta & Franz.
ON HOPE AND TRUTH IN THE WORLD
(ADDENDUM TO OUR LAST YAHOO CHAT)
Saturday, September 28, 2002.

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nonpositivism: Franz, what were all those things you wanted to discuss with me Thursday but were afraid to ask?

juttafranz: In fact, indirectly, you did touch on the essence of my basic questions already -- rather, you should give us your views concerning the "Hope" syndrome: When Hope becomes necessary? When is it simply redundant, and does not appear on the agenda? Why the "poor" hope, and the "wealthy" dope themselves? What the Pope and Bob Hope have in common? Why "people" just cannot "take it" anymore, why they swerve away from brutal reality, placing their heads in the radio-acrive sands? And, finally, why they are afraid of the changing, flowing truth, to be informed about the flowing, changing brutal truths of courrent global, fascist realities, and why they prefer to disappear from our lists, from our forums, and "to talk about more pleasant things" instead?

juttafranz: Also, I would sincerely value your opinion about my explanation of how to treat those who say good-bye -- not to attack, not to scorn them, rather to congratulate them that they came along with us for a moment, for a while. And that this could happen at all, is still a very pleasant, courageous, "miracle" these days! Many do not think like that about "renegades" and "traitors" to the human "cause".

juttafranz: Scott, I am not "afraid" of anybody, of anything, except myself; I'm afraid that I might be "right" -- that would be the worst for humanity -- rather, I pray every day that I would be "wrong" -- the utmost "best" for humanity; and, if by any chance I ever should be "wrong", I would be the very first one to celebrate the victory of the "Crown of Creation", to open the chanpaign bottle, and to acknowledge my scientific and philosophic errors.

nonpositivism: I take it that is the "Lee Manifesto", 2002 Edition. May be it be scrupulously studied and pondered by all!
nonpositivism: Of course Franz you must have some hope. Else you would have "checked out" from this Earth a long time ago instead of working very hard as Professor and activist.

juttafranz: Scott, this what you say is already "materialized" Hope, hence, it is no Hope anymore; Hope lives in the "future", it can never be reached; furthermore, who scientifically-philosophically, praxically-theoretically, is beautiful, truthful and lovingly (Loving Lee) does not need "Hope" anymore, (s)he is already the Fire of Hope, is Hope itself, any second, any millimetre, anywhere, anyhow, anywhither!

nonpositivism: Franz, maybe you should bring Jutta on so she can translate your English into the vernacular. It's good poetry, but I don't understand it.

juttafranz: OK!

jutta: If the going gets tough, the tough (= Jutta) get going .... My translation for you: Being an emancipatory activist is equivalent to "materializing hope". The concept of hope generally accounts for some kind of "optimistic projection" into the future, and may well be accompanied by inactivity (the waiting for "better times"). Conscious thought AND action in the "ever-here" and "every-now" is the bringing back of hope from the realm of projection to the realm of concrete thought AND action (= the realization or "materialization" of hope). I "hope" this picture has become a little clearer for you now.

nonpositivism: Yes, much!

jutta: Wow.
jutta: I feel I have got sort of a "wooden head" tonight, and find I'm having difficulties to think and write. And here you go and tell me I have been able to make you understand the concept of hope and its implications .... Imagine the sharpness of my thought and the capacity of explanation when I've got a clear head .... ))

nonpositivism: Haha, yes!

jutta: Anyhow, Scottie .... "good night" for tonight. And thanks for your mails - I read the one about the multi-level magician's tricks - technique employed to pull through sort of a "kill democracy now - agenda". Very interesting viewpoint, indeed. Here is Franz once more to bid farewell to you. Bye for now. Yours sincerely ----> Jutta, the hopeless case ....

nonpositivism: I just sent you some interesting nocturnal speculation of my own.
nonpositivism: Check your email. I just woke up from a nap, have some creative but slightly unfocused thoughts.
nonpositivism: But I thought they were worth capturing. This is my current take of why Empires do what they do.

juttafranz: OK, briefly, Frankenstein's Monster is back.
juttafranz: Did she explain it better?

nonpositivism: who are you? Jutta, Franz or the twoheaded monster?
nonpositivism: Put diplomatically: Jutta's explanation was superior prose, Franz's is superior poetry. Together they flow like fine wine.

juttafranz: Anyhow, for anything to come into being, certain objective, subjective and transjective factors or conditions have to be "present", else, you cannot bake a cake, eat it, and then still want to have it.

nonpositivism: That's Franz!
nonpositivism: The endearing Metaphorical Poetic Visionary of the Andes Mountains.

juttafranz: The desperate, maimed, physically and mentally challenged, the wretched of the earth, "les miserables", urgently need "hope".

nonpositivism: The crusading revolutionary at University and in cyber-space.

juttafranz: Generally their "hope" is being realized, "materialized" by charity, by Bill Gates' US$15 billion.

nonpositivism: The "hope" that you despise is unfortunately heavily enmeshed in Catholicism and its long-standing political position and philosophy for those finding themselves at the bottom of things.

juttafranz: In fact, if you have knowledge, human power, science, philosophy, at your disposal, then you could "hope" for realizable things, not indulge in wishful thinking, pipe-dreams, then you do the thing, think the think, and improve, transcend the think-thing -- no hope necessary. The gods help those who help themselves; the rest, who hope, the gods love, they die young, like Che.

nonpositivism: again, see my remarks about hope again. You can bring Jutta in to translate this:
nonpositivism: There are 2 kinds of hope:
nonpositivism: Passive hope (Catholicism, wait till Heaven, the Afterlife, etc.) and Active Hope: engagement in ther here and now.
nonpositivism: You trust active Hope more than passive Hope. In that we concur.

juttafranz: Yes, Scott, in Arch-Bishop (of Canterbury) Kingsley's "opium of the people" -- Marx just "plagiarized" him -- you have the three gifts of the Holy Ghost: Faith, Hope and Charity. Hope is basically a feudalist, absolutist Roman Catholic concept, used in the Middle Ages to bamboozle the poor dregs, the "witches", the forerunners of the current US "bitches" and "sons-of-a-bitch" of society. It is a mythological, religious, ideological "newspeak" mechanism, to keep the "hopes" of the poor high: We return slaughtered on the "Thousand Years' " battle-field, but we still "hope" that our grandchildren will deliver better cannon-fodder! After Vietnam, now Afghanistan and Iraq have their hope-ful turn!

nonpositivism: That sounds like the speaker has morphed back into Jutta again. This is getting hard to follow....

juttafranz: It is what ruling class divinity has left in the Pandora Jewellery Box for the Poor, while the wealthy pillaged all the gold, diamonds and "black gold".
juttafranz: No, Scott, it's still me, His Truly Himself!!

nonpositivism: Well, like any good marriage there's a good interspousal influence, haha. So sometimes it's hard to tell you apart.
nonpositivism: Under Protestantism things changed. Weber's famous book, "The Protestant Ethic and The Spirit of Capitalism" caught a glimpse of some of this.

juttafranz: Well, Love and Marriage go together like a .... You can't have one, you cant have none, you can't have one without the other -- hence, it is the very same one, the two, speaking simultaneously!

nonpositivism: It's also significant that the USA Founders were primarily influenced by non-Catholic Churches, such as Quaker Movement, Puritanism, Baptism, etc. These formulate different "rules of engagement" for the individual in dealing with reality.
nonpositivism: The Jewish Philosophy is also completely different and bears more similarity to the latter. It allowed the Jews to rebuild our State in 1948 without waiting for history to do it for us.
nonpositivism: Man accepted the responsibility for executing and implementing what he comprehended to be G-d's vision, not wait for a singular divine act.
nonpositivism: A bit harder to penetrate are Eastern religious philosophies, which have their roots in Lao-Tze and Confucius.
nonpositivism: One core difference is that they are much less oriented to fulfillment of individual potentiality, much more oriented to the Family, and Society as a Family.
nonpositivism: This can even be seen in the readers given to 6 year olds, and how schoolchildren are taught to follow instructions, ask questions, compete or cooperate or not cooperate with each other, etc.
nonpositivism: These various "philosophies of Engagement", active and passive in different ways and different degrees, have huge fundamental implications for how we act every day, personally and politically.

juttafranz: D'accord, Scott! In this sense, the true Americans were really "hope-less"!
juttafranz: Scott, the general trick is that I write "blood-red", and Jutta "rosy" -- more pink! In my PC, we, our colours, somehow got mixed up tonight!

nonpositivism: Haha, very well put, Franz.
nonpositivism: The morphing of colors mirrors the morphing of your voices.....

juttafranz: Scott, we are dead-tired -- must go and sleep urgently.

nonpositivism: and bodies and souls, apparently very tired bodies at this point.

juttafranz: It was a great pleasure to exchange some active hopeties! "Good"-Night, Scott. Greetings from Jutta too. Bye!!!

nonpositivism: OK, for creative intellectual challenge check the email I sent you tomorrow. It has some fundamental thoughts to understanding the American Empire, indeed all Empires.
nonpositivism: Buenas Noches!
You see, I can't even type anymore. Bye!!!

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